tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post4314191520329246790..comments2023-10-29T06:21:33.330-07:00Comments on It's MY Arsenal Opinion: Value for money, A cover up of unbelievable magnitudeDvbrisGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02765330221801347475noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-84779316969788219132012-09-14T09:12:03.105-07:002012-09-14T09:12:03.105-07:00James, with your own words you are actually saying...James, with your own words you are actually saying because Liverpool fans were attacked in Rome and Brussels, they snapped and therefore inadvertently killed Juve fans at Heysel. You can't justify Heysel in any way, shape or form. Likewise absolutely no one can justify the deaths of 96 innocents in Sheffield. The writer of the blog has quite clearly stated there was a cover up perpetrated by the authorities, he just doesn't happen to agree that ticketless Liverpool fans should be absolved of any blame, I have to agree with him. The blog is after all his opinion, the clue is in the title. By the way, there's a certain song about Munich that you lot sing, hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-28063574618406109412012-09-13T16:57:29.189-07:002012-09-13T16:57:29.189-07:00I know numerous people who were at both Heysel and...I know numerous people who were at both Heysel and Hillsborough. The facts are that Liverpool fans were in no way whatsoever to blame for what happened at Hillsbotough. The comment about there being too many fans is only right in the sense that there were too many in that pen, which if you know the facts was as a direct result of the gate being opened by the police and the tunnel entrance was the nearest entrance to the stand from that gate, the other pens were nowhere near full, but people could not move because they were caged in, and there was no seats in that stand either you fool. The fact that you say you will not change your opinion shows your lack of intelligence. As for Heysel, yes the Liverpool fans did charge, which was wrong, but the facts are they were kicked and stabbed all over Rome the year before and treated like animals by the Italians and all day in Brussels the Juve fans were the same. In the ground missiles were being thrown from the Juve fans and the Pool fans snapped, what would Arsenal fans have done, are you all saints? Finally both disasters did involve Liverpool, but both disasters were also caused by incompetent authorities, unsafe stadiums and shocking organisation. As a result of those disasters that is why you are now pampered as a football fan and thats because the mistakes were learned from, unfortunately people had to die. Would you still have the same opinions if it were Arsenal involved? I dont think so, stop letting football rivalry cloud your judgement or maybe just grow up.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166220382433386176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-36043754349190846472012-09-13T11:48:53.487-07:002012-09-13T11:48:53.487-07:00Get Pilate to release the files on Jesus.Get Pilate to release the files on Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-21542361059158846192012-09-13T11:06:53.527-07:002012-09-13T11:06:53.527-07:00Just a quick response the comments made:
My opini...Just a quick response the comments made:<br /><br />My opinion remains the same, and will always remain the same when it comes to this issue. I have no reason to feel shame for believing what I do.<br />I find it interesting to see that, amid all the ramifications of yesterday, a scouser is trying to pass the blame for Heysel on to someone other than those responsible - Liverpool supporters. I daresay the individuale referred to, who were apparently not from Liverpool, are the mythical Chelsea fans that were supposed to have posed as scousers on the day of Heysel.<br />Sadly there were three major tragedies for English football in the 1980s. Two of them involved the same Club. It would be incredible for that to be just a coincidence.<br />As I said in the post itself, I wasn't going to write about it as I what the reaction would be. It gives me no satisfaaction to have been right about that.DvbrisGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02765330221801347475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-394319026915046572012-09-12T16:49:29.525-07:002012-09-12T16:49:29.525-07:00It makes me sad that there are people like you in ...It makes me sad that there are people like you in the world. So vile, abusive and hate-filled, I actually feel a little sorry for you as I guess it must really suck being you. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901231561747677238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-74312962232059177602012-09-12T15:57:29.051-07:002012-09-12T15:57:29.051-07:00Mr Gannon, how many Liverpool fans died at Heysel?...Mr Gannon, how many Liverpool fans died at Heysel? And how long did it take Liverpool FC to apologise to the families of Juventus fans (not Roma fans) who were unlawfully killed (the term used by the Hillsborough Survivors groups)when they went to watch a match. And of what interest is it that Juve fans were in the neutral section? Are you saying that Liverpool fans NEVER infiltrate areas of the ground not reserved for them? How many Liverpool fans were charged with any offences that night in Brussels? You claim that the Liverpool scum who attacked the Juve fans were not from Liverpool. Two points - how do you know this??? Secondly, they were wearing Liverpool colours - end of. It's like the Rangers fans claiming it was not them who tore up Manchester a couple of years ago.arabesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10061811078939275758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-32389771603414874622012-09-12T15:26:44.442-07:002012-09-12T15:26:44.442-07:00here is a link starting at page 2 of the report
ht...here is a link starting at page 2 of the report<br />http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/report/Section-1/summary/page-2/blakaddrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17670532519259673604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-60970340092627943952012-09-12T15:23:21.174-07:002012-09-12T15:23:21.174-07:00Mr DvbrisG, could you please read the independant ...Mr DvbrisG, could you please read the independant panels findings before posting your bias opinions. Just read the last paragraph on page 2 along with all page 3 which relate to an almost similar disaster that was narrowly avoided at the same ground in 1981 when tottenham played wolves in an FA cup semi final.<br />And also the fact that sheffield wednesday fc continually disagreed with south yorkshire police advice that the the maximun capacity for the leppings lane end, set at 10,100, was too high...i would like to hear your opinion after doing so...blakaddrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17670532519259673604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-84145033775299852552012-09-12T14:30:47.474-07:002012-09-12T14:30:47.474-07:00Shame on you.Shame on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-12891192229522339062012-09-12T13:37:06.491-07:002012-09-12T13:37:06.491-07:00see, this is what the whole country means when we ...see, this is what the whole country means when we talk about you lot. "Every dog has his day and i pray that i am standing next to you smiling when that day comes!!!"<br />What a scummy little scouce prick you are.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03346318076652630516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-81799206625884871462012-09-12T13:32:43.628-07:002012-09-12T13:32:43.628-07:00What your comment proves beyond any doubt is that ...What your comment proves beyond any doubt is that 23 years later there are still mindless, narrow minded people like you who fuel misinformation from god knows what source?!?!<br />Every dog has his day and i pray that i am standing next to you smiling when that day comes!!!<br />The word fact is such a small yet powerful word and maybe one day you could do some research instead of spewing shite from your mouth with out giving your brain time to catch up!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11693441547160183024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-67878673771013421282012-09-12T13:31:13.782-07:002012-09-12T13:31:13.782-07:00And also, just because they say there is no eviden...And also, just because they say there is no evidence that doesnt mean it didnt happen. There wasnt any evidence that OJ Simpson killed his wife..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03346318076652630516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-75690177184154264172012-09-12T13:26:48.116-07:002012-09-12T13:26:48.116-07:00WELL IF THERE WERE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF FANS THEN N...WELL IF THERE WERE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF FANS THEN NOBODY WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUSHED TO DEATH WOULD THEY YOU MORON!<br /><br />Have a look at the bloody pictures! clearly far far too many fans!<br /><br />Typical scoucer who won't take any blame. I suppose the Juventus fans caused their own deaths too?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03346318076652630516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-20221822961558143902012-09-12T13:24:18.532-07:002012-09-12T13:24:18.532-07:00Liverpool fan I assume?
Typical idiot. If there ...Liverpool fan I assume? <br /><br />Typical idiot. If there were the right amount of Liverpool fans in attendance then nobody would have been crushed to death would they you idiotAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03346318076652630516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-82199741084206548612012-09-12T13:23:50.778-07:002012-09-12T13:23:50.778-07:00Catalyst! Really?
Classless prick!!!Catalyst! Really?<br />Classless prick!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11693441547160183024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-2946858578086614192012-09-12T13:18:48.399-07:002012-09-12T13:18:48.399-07:00Unknown - You are also a retard!! You think you kn...Unknown - You are also a retard!! You think you know the facts about Heysel yet get the number of dead wrong!! What a tosser!! I see you conveniently failed to mention the dozens of Liverpool fans knifed by Italian fans in Rome in 1984, this directly lead to the ill feeling at Heysel and have you asked yourself why some many Italian fans were in the supposedly neutral section of the ground that was adjacent to the Liverpool section?? Could it be that UEFA fucked up the ticketing. Also that like Hillsborough, Heysel did not have a safety certificate and was falling to bits with holes in the walls that fans could easily access the stadium. The collapsed wall that caused the fatalities was in fact unsupported - WTF!!! Don't get me started on Heysel because you know fuck all about it - you think you do but you are pig ignorant like your mate DvbrisG - Yes, some scum Liverpool fans charged the Italians (most of which were not actually from Liverpool) but there were lots of contributory factors to that disaster and LFC fans were only partially to blame. Maybe one day the real truth of that disaster will emerge and not just the glib excuse that it was those fucking scousers!! That event was totally mismanaged by UEFA and the Belgian Police, they are the facts!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11208650680640429619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-52000749830392453202012-09-12T13:18:04.006-07:002012-09-12T13:18:04.006-07:00This is the finding of the report as stated by our...This is the finding of the report as stated by our Prime Minister in the commons today. Your opinion that ticketless fans are to blame is disgraceful in light of today's acknowledgment. Shame on you.<br /><br />The appalling death toll of so many loved ones lost was compounded by an attempt to blame the victims. A narrative about hooliganism that day was created which led many in the country to accept that somehow it was a grey area. Today’s report is black and white: the Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster. The panel has quite simply found no evidence in support of allegations of exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence amongst Liverpool fans. (It found) no evidence that fans had conspired to arrive late to the stadium and no evidence that they stole from the dead and the dying.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901231561747677238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-45398405215322872182012-09-12T13:16:17.120-07:002012-09-12T13:16:17.120-07:00Ive been to over 500 matches, and Liverpool fans c...Ive been to over 500 matches, and Liverpool fans cause by far and away the most trouble.<br /><br />The facts are that there were more Liverpool fans than seats, which means Liverpool fans got in without tickets. If you don't have tickets to an Arsenal match, do you try to get in without one? Of course you bloody don't.<br /><br />You can powder it up however you like, Liverpool fans were the cause, the police didn't help.<br /><br />At the end of the day, the scoucers didn’t have tickets and still stormed into the ground. They killed their own fans and want to blame everyone else. Simple.<br /> <br />Hillsborough and Heysel, the 2 biggest disasters in football, and they both have 1 thing in common.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03346318076652630516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-83446014144677063652012-09-12T13:06:32.655-07:002012-09-12T13:06:32.655-07:00Where is your evidence that loads of Liverpool fan...Where is your evidence that loads of Liverpool fans without tickets went to Hillsborough!! The evidence examined has PROVED BEYOND DOUBT that this was just one of many many false allegations about Liverpool fans!! Are you a retard, or just pig ignorant!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11208650680640429619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-72368010746715855922012-09-12T12:23:43.884-07:002012-09-12T12:23:43.884-07:00for once a view on Hillsborough I can agree on. Th...for once a view on Hillsborough I can agree on. This belief that ALL pool fans are innocent little waifs is beyond the pail. Having lived thru this era what is forgotten is the horrendous rabid hooliganism that had pervading football for over two decades, and which turned the non football society against the football fan. From trains regularly taken out of service because they were trashed, to regular violence and knifeings, the Football fan had been branded an animal since the early 70's. Then in 1985 Liverpool fans were directly responsible for the death of 33 Italianjs at Heysel, charging through a neutral zone to attack other fans. The culture of scoiety across teh board and most certainly in those charged with maintaining the peace and order was most certainly a factor in the event some 4 years later, that again saw Liverpool fans at the center of death at a football ground. I am NOT saying all Liverpool fans were to blame, but the attitude across the board toward fans, and possibly Liverpool, was certainly a factor in the despicable cover up that followed. I agree that charges should most certainly be considered for those ordering the cover up. But then I also think investigations and inquiries should have brought charges against those Liverpool fans directly responsible for manslaughter. Justice must work both ways. I admit I DO have a kind of biased view of Liverpool fans. In August 1968, at Watford Gap Service Station, but for the intervention of a policeman and some members of the public I am in no doubt that my life would have ended on the recieving end of a coach load of flying feet. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146397462492986281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-79101665189982573292012-09-12T12:21:35.879-07:002012-09-12T12:21:35.879-07:00Agree with you about the complicity of Thatcher...Agree with you about the complicity of Thatcher's government.Cyborghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844051296023229985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1104587254695153703.post-78108744080824833912012-09-12T12:02:03.839-07:002012-09-12T12:02:03.839-07:00Are you really still clinging to the "hordes ...Are you really still clinging to the "hordes of ticketless fans" rubbish? This has been thoroughly investigated and discounted as a contributory factor by two independent reports but still you can't let your prejudice go. Shame on you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15538084194426618677noreply@blogger.com